Also sadly affected by this. But it isn't just DISH. DirectV has done it, Comcast & Time Warner have done it too. Its a never ending spitting contest for more money. The networks are just as bad as the providers. Like negotiations of any contract, you both ask for an absurd figure, settle in the middle somewhere and we all pay the price.

Also sadly affected by this. But it isn't just DISH. DirectV has done it, Comcast & Time Warner have done it too. Its a never ending spitting contest for more money. The networks are just as bad as the providers. Like negotiations of any contract, you both ask for an absurd figure, settle in the middle somewhere and we all pay the price.

After reading up on what happened, I actually blame Fox for this. I think Fox saw that Dish had 2 prior negotiation issues with CNN and CBS and decided to use it to their advantage. Fox Sports 1 and FXX aren't even up for contract renewal and that's what the arguments are about. They know that nobody would call complaining to Dish if they lose Fox Sports 1 and chose to take FNC off the air. People are less likely to side with Dish because it's the third time in a month.

I read this same statement in a couple of different reports:

"They did not want to accept terms and commitments that have become customary in a Fox News renewal," said Tim Carry, the Fox News executive in charge of distribution.

Hey Carry, ever hear of that free market your network so loudly promotes? You know, the one where buyers and sellers negotiate instead of one them farting out words like customary. Is that the best justification you can give for putting the squeeze on Dish?

No, that's not actually how the free market works. In the real free market, Fox News is in the firm driver's seat because there is high demand for its product and it is available in a number of venues. If other available options like DirecTV and cable agreed to carry Fox News through the "customary" terms and commitments, there is basically no reason for Fox News to diminish those terms for Dish's sake. Fox News is highly unlikely to lose any ad revenue over this, and Dish is likely to lose at least some customers or be forced to give fairly exorbitant discounts to a number of consumers.

You pay what the market demands. If other companies are paying Fox News' price, it's difficult for Dish to argue it should pay any less. Fox News would be making a very dumb business decision to deviate below its customary terms and conditions for Dish. This is not a Weather Channel situation here.

Apparently Dish has a different view of the market or they would have met Fox's demands. Dish seems to think that its value minus Fox meets what the market will pay, and that those who think it doesn't and drop Dish aren't significant enough for it to change its value by dropping its prices, paying what Fox wants, or something else. That's how a free market works: each entity in the market determines its sense of value. Other carriers think that Fox's "customary" terms are OK, but that doesn't establish it as the one and only model for everyone or the market wouldn't be free.

Apparently Dish has a different view of the market or they would have met Fox's demands. Dish seems to think that its value minus Fox meets what the market will pay, and that those who think it doesn't and drop Dish aren't significant enough for it to change its value by dropping its prices, paying what Fox wants, or something else. That's how a free market works: each entity in the market determines its sense of value. Other carriers think that Fox's "customary" terms are OK, but that doesn't establish it as the one and only model for everyone or the market wouldn't be free.

Sure FNC is number one in cable news ratings. Daytime soaps are a dying genre. The number one soap opera beats all of the cable news channels combined. The prime time numbers are a little better for cable news, but they are still under 2% overall vs US population. DISH is in 20 million homes. FNC only has 3-6 million viewers on average. Out of those how many are the loyal enough to pay the fees to break their 2 year contract and switch providers? How many of this those people have DISH?

All I know is I have dish and no Fox News and haven't been able to get my Anna fix and not very happy by now..

I am stuck in a Dish contract as well, and I'm seriously bummed that I'm going to miss the return of Jenna Lee. Hopefully someone will be on the job to nab plenty of caps...

Johnkay, you should explain to the folks who can't get Fox how to use that streaming site you found. I took a quick peek at it and it looks like it has potential. But I couldn't see how to watch a specific channel (like Fox). How do you lock in to a channel? I'm assuming you have to register in order to do that?

it's in the first post of this thread, I don't run it I just found it. There's one guy/girl who streams FNC pretty much 24 hrs a day. He/she sometimes changes the channel but that's rare.
here is an updated link bc the first one went down:
http://vaughnlive.tv/newzviewz
this new one was linked to in the chat box of the old one

I don't know of any other channels being streamed on vaughnlive but you could google ---- live stream, you can find many channels streaming on other websites